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Post by brentallsop on Jul 5, 2009 15:05:16 GMT -5
The theory of consciousness represented by the Consciousness is Representational and Real camp continues to extend its lead in the amount of scientific consensus it has for being the best theory of consciousness at canonizer.com. Leading thinkers such as Steven Lehar, John Smythies, and others have recently joined and are now helping to further develop these camps. Other theories have been started, but so far no theories have been able to generate anything close to the amount of consensus, support and POV sub structure this representational and real camp has achieved. Our continuing goal is to survey what everyone believes, develop concise descriptions of all good theories of consciousness and torigorously measure how much scientific consensus there is amongst experts for each. Canonizer.com is not meant to measure truth, but only to collaboratively develop concise descriptions of the best theories. It is to rigorously measure and track what everyone, especially the experts, currently think is the best theory going forward as ever better arguments and scientific data continue to come in. We look forward to the day when the demonstrable scientific proof converts us all to accept the same set of theories and believe this scientific revolution has already started. As always, we would love to discuss this further and to know what everyone thinks. Brent Allsop canonizer.com
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Post by tkorrovi on Jul 5, 2009 18:36:50 GMT -5
Consider that i don't vote there, and many others don't. "There are no phenomenal properties, that we know of, beyond our abstracting cause and effect based senses, but such phenomenology most definitely does exist in our mind."--Well, in addition to contradicting some things which are known, this is almost equivalent to saying that we cannot know anything, therefore i personally would not like to call that theory smart or scientific. I think the behaviorism has the greatest consensus, but this is because the system which enforces it, and not because of peoples free choice.
Well and, this forum is about unrestricted systems. I chose only one condition, to avoid most of the nonsense, So if someone here wants to say that some system is "good" or "the best", then he has to be able to show at least somehow, that it can be unrestricted.
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Post by tkorrovi on Sept 16, 2009 13:57:56 GMT -5
I would also say that this voting in canonizer was not made in a neutral enough way. For it to be neutral, all proposals should be equal and it must be possible to vote them separately. But in canonizer, the proposals are organized into hierarchy, and votes for lower level proposals add votes to higher level proposals. And at that, the high level proposal is not general enough to enclose all lower level proposals, the long explanation defines a very specific point of view. Thus, such hierarchy enables the authors of the higher level proposals to add a bias to lower level proposals, and benefit from votes given to very different ideas. So this is not a right democracy for science.
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